The GOD Conversation

( Deuteronomy 32: 8-9..... The Build up)

I came across this chapter and verse all on my own, when thinking about, studying, meditating on, and all other things involving getting answers to the questions, "Who and what is God, WHY, where did it come from, and what's the honest truth, reality, facts, and every other thing about it?" I got as far as I got, and then after, shifted focus into writing the series, putting this off to the side. Finances. It wasn't until maybe July 2025 did I hear about Dr. Michael Heiser who is pretty big on this particular chapter and verse. As of the time of writing this (9/15/25) I'd gone through a little bit of his material but am still getting caught up on it all. He said a lot of things I was thinking and had put together on my own, which is good because to have someone who has time to actually STUDY this, who is also a teacher, so he has the resources and knowing of how to apply it, and where to access it, and also HAS the access (because some know where it is, but can't get to it), it made me feel a little less annoyed with thinking about this. Later, after I REALLY set time aside to look into some of Heiser's work, I found out about other people who were getting into this. I was wondering where these folks had been all this time, and why I was just now finding them. It was annoying. "It was so God could use you to do all of the other stuff, knowing you would come back to it and blah blah blah." That's annoying.

So, on the quest to KNOW who and why "GOD" this thing here came along. Most people don't even know the illusion who's ass they're kissing, when they say they have a "relationship with God." A lot of it is programming, passed down. A lot of it is fear based. A lot of people's "love" for "God" is a trauma bond with their imagination fueled by the economy and religion. I take it extremely seriously. That's (part of) why it's annoying not getting straight answers when you genuinely ask. AS A RESULT OF THAT you go off on your OWN journey, and then that relationship gets REAL. The only thing there is a lot of the folks willing to "help" have an agenda, or some allegiance to something to drain your soul, when off on your own figuring things out. This whole SAMURAI RUACH project is driven by a lot of that-- just trying to provide a safe, honest, relatable, and not boring (or at least current) version of some kind of material so people who are genuine about this journey aren't stranded out there in the world. That and more led me to write this very line, and you to read it... so for someone out there, it was worth me being going in circles where i did, and having all of this failing equipment, and asking with no answers given so I can go on journey I didn't care to go on after journey I didn't care to go on... for you it was worth me being annoyed. You get your answers. Maybe I could handle the annoyances, so I get to take this one for our team.

And yet another reason I say annoyed, is because it's a way of thinking that almost no one I'm around (have access to, or who has access to me via our time, minds, and resources) seems to be onboard with, meanwhile, it's printed right there in your face. LOTS OF TIMES I've gone off and done things like this (having one question, asking for an answer so I can finish doing other things, not getting an answer, and then the question constantly popping up and digging at me so I have to stop everything else, go on some month or two, or 12, long journey through audiobooks, videos, articles, some joblessness and homelessness and whatever else to get ONE ANSWER), only to have people come to me well after they were vey firm and vocal in their opposing, because some famous or accredited, or even just some figure or in worst case some influencer in heavy in circulation in their scroll say a drop of the same thing i was saying maybe years ago, then they want to come and tell me about how they've been enlightened and how I should look into what they just found out-- maybe it would help me.... and how they even prayed for me to STOP (going in the direction they ended up in and are even a long way behind) AND REPENT, just adding spiritual hurdles, blockages, curses, and so on "to bless and help me." So, I pretty much don't talk to people about things like this. A lot of people who have been on the same page or close to it don't think this way. I don't think it will be respected. I know a lot of it will be wasted and slathered with crap, so I'll write it out and let that be that. This planet is full of programmed slow minds, MADE THAT WAY FOR A REASON... and it's annoying. I UNDERSTAND IT, AND GET IT, but that doesn't make it any less annoying.

As far as getting answers, one of the key things in this is DEUTERONOMY 32:8-9. I LOOK AT THIS CHAPTER AND VERSES A LOT AND STUDY IT DEEPLY BECAUSE I HONESTLY WANT TO KNOW THE KEY IN THIS. ONE OF THE KEYS IS KNOWING THE SPECIFIC NAMES (Knowing The Word) USED, AND WHERE and WHY... and WHO THEY ARE, IN THIS CHAPTER. There's another deep dive into "Let Us Make Man In OUR Image" in THE SUPERMAN THING. Because this is important, I’ll show the work (the versions I've found so far) and let you do the math for yourself. IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL DEAD SEA SCROLLS (the oldest, as far as I know, original text of the Bible, so the most un-tampered, unaltered version, to get the original words actually spoken and written) or the SEPTUAGINT (LXX) which in digging is said to be the oldest, cleanest, ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament, created for Hellenistic Jews in 3rd-century BC Egypt who spoke Greek but not Hebrew. It includes some additional books not found in the Jewish canon (the Apocrypha)-- OR IF YOU ARE A SCHOLAR, TEACHER, ARCHEOLOGIST, STUDENT, OR ANYONE ELSE WITH INFORMATION ON THIS, COMMENT WHAT YOU HAVE. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS MY PROGRESSION AND DEVELOPMENT IN THOUGHT ON THIS CHAPTER AND VERSE.

Mentioned earlier, SOME OF THIS IS ALSO IN THE MAIN EVENT section of "THE SUPERMAN THING" (the Rant version may be better-- more to the point). I'll get further after writing this too, but to timestamp things (i guess) here's this. You never know what will happen tomorrow, so here this is today. Also, as of the time of re-writing and updating this (originally done around January 2025, and I transferred and updated this information into this section on September 10, 2025) So, here’s a list of that scripture in a few different Bible formats (translations) so you can see the difference in Names and words used to say “the same thing” but it’s very important to KNOW THE WORD(s) so you know EXACTLY (or as exact as possible) what was really going on. There are a LOT of translations and some say pretty much exactly the same thing, so I’ll leave out the duplicates and try to put all of the ones with different words so you can see the differences and see what I’m talking about. There are a few translations who use certain names which I'll put first. Pay attention to the names used, the differences, and when and how they're used (who is called what, and who is doing what). Read it now and come back to this. I'll link this line to take you to the chapter and verse, and at the end of it add another line to bring you back to here.

So, I was getting into here is (1) - THE HIERARCHY: THE MOST HIGH who is giving INHERITANCES, and EVERYONE ELSE who got an inheritance. It doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal, but it is. There's a hierarchy. Other folks making themselves out to be the head Gods is what became an issue. It would be nice to know who's who, and then find out why (and who) people pray to, and whatever else while on my journey finding all of this stuff out (getting to the bottom of it)... which is also hidden somewhere in that chapter and verse, and things like DANIEL 10: 18-21 (The Prince of Greece, Kings of the North and South)... and THE PRICNE OF PERSIA, and how they're THRONES and PRINCIPALITIES which has to do with princes ruling... AND THEN MULTIPLY THAT BY "THE SUPERMAN THING". WHAT YOU MIGHT END UP WITH IS.... There is a hierarchy. In this hierarchy, the angelic or other-worldly (from other worlds) influential beings here, get to the highest ranking of PRINCE. Maybe because it's NOT THEIR WORLD, wasn't made FOR them, and wasn't given TO them to have dominion over. Princesses (ranks of angelic daughters). They didn't really honor or value women, which is a flag. Read about King David's daughter, versus how influential and "great" his sons were and what they did. If you have info on that daughters angle, and if they did anything like THE WATCHERS did, comment it. I haven't come across it yet, but I was more focused on this for now. But it has been mentioned about the Prince of Persia, which even had a video game named after it. Prince of Greece. Even Helel (Lucifer, I say Helel because of Elohim, the Els: Micha-EL, Gabri-EL, Razi-EL, Uri-EL, Azra-EL, etc., sons of God who DEUTERONOMY 32:8-9... who even JACOB (12 tribes) had his name changed to ISRA-EL-- EL means "God" or "of God", from studies ISRA-EL means "He who wrestles with God" and there are other translations that point to IS-(isis)-RA-(Ra)-EL-Elyon... why so many different things, just give me one straight honest REAL actual answer, right???) was referred to as The Prince of the air (and other titles with the rank of Prince, or ruler)... MEANWHILE the only Kings mentioned are of Human lineage. Kings outrank princes. Kings even appoint Lords. With The Book of Enoch (First Book of Enoch) mentioning things like,

Then there's (2) - THE NATIONS. WHO ARE THE KIDS WHO GET DIVIDED UP? Why even do this? Well, for one, I love tattoos. I was noticing how certain cultures have the same tattoos, symbols, markings… as if the gods of those cultures was branding their property (who belongs to them). There’s that whole passage again with "Let US (Elohim) make mankind in OUR image" and if there are a bunch of these SONS OF GOD (Elohim)...which also are fitting the description of the Apkallu, and how there are dogmen (werewolves), and shapeshifters, Pans, and all other types of beings, I was looking to see if there was a common thread. Reptilians, dragons, draconian-- somewhere there's a common thread. 12 Tribes, 12 zodiacs, 12 months, 12 famous disciples, 4 Angels that rule the 4 corners of the earth-- so that the 4 seasons, 3 months a piece = 12, there are common numbers and things that pop up. Honestly, I think you only need 9 (9 core watchers or people in charge, 9 Sons the world is divided into) and then the rest is people under them (the hierarchy i mentioned previously) and even in that some of the KINGS might have been hybrids that formed a lot of the major cultures like in the story of the Apkallu, even though they're said to be 7 Apkallu. ANYWAYS, there are common threads, so I'm trying to line up who's who, who created which beings in their image, where the other kingdoms came from, which makes me think of the book "The Pleiadean Perspective on Human Evolution."

The GOD Conversation

(Bible Book of Deuteronomy - Chapter 32: verses 8-9)

So, lets get to it, yeah? It's been built up enough.

Deuteronomy 32:8-9
KJ21 (21st Century King James Version)

8 - When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. 9 - For the Lord’s portion is His people; Jacob is the lot of His inheritance. (This King James version is one that's more popular.)

NIV (New International Version)

8 - When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel. 9 - For the Lord’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance.

Growing up, the KJV (King James Version) and the NIV (New International Version) were like the top two interpretations or translations of the Bible that were in all of the churches and even hotels.

ESV (English Standard Version)

8 - When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. 9 - But the Lord's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage

ASV (American Standard Version)

8 - When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, When he separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel. 9 - For Jehovah’s portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

AMP (Amplified Bible)

8 - “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel. 9 - “For the Lord’s portion and chosen share is His people; Jacob (Israel) is the allotment of His inheritance.

AMPC (Amplified Bible, Classic Edition)

8 - When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the children of men, He set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Israelites. 9- For the Lord’s portion is His people; Jacob (Israel) is the lot of His inheritance.

So, from those, what it looks like is happening is THE MOST HIGH gave THE NATIONS their inheritance. It's not specified who THE NATIONS are, but everything was divided up by the number of the Sons of Adam (or the 12 Tribes of Israel), the Sons of Jacob (Israel, the Israelites), and when dividing every thing up among those sons (12 tribes), The Lord (Jehovah) was given the 12 Tribes (or the sons of Israel).

We're going to get into DEEPER and DIFFERENT translations, but first off, usin what was here with the KING JAMES which is one of th emost popular versions of the Bible... recapping just to make sure I got this right.... So the MOST HIGH .....dished out INHERITANCES..... to THE NATIONS.... and when doing this, HE... separated/ divided the Sons of Adam/Sons of Israel... and when HE did the dividing and separating, THE MOST HIGH gave THE LORD (Jehovah) the INHERITANCE allotted to/ reserved for/ chosen for/ set aside for THE LORD which was Jacob and the 12 Tribes of Israel/Sons of Jacob (Israel).

Again, we're about to get into this and see how this flips even more. but you can kind of see where I'm seeing things different, and most other people are basically saying that: THE LORD = The Most High, who divided up INHERITANCES to the NATIONS (which some thing are the 12 Tribes), then divided the people on the earth to The SONS OF ISRAEL (The 12 Tribes again) , and he kept the 12 Tribes/Sons of Israel for himself. So, God divided up the earth into the 12 tribes but he rules the 12 tribes and if anyone else was there, then... um... ok. This was in the days of AFTER THE FLOOD (Noah), specifically at THE TOWER OF BABEL... which was BEFORE JACOB (aka Israel who is the father of Joseph and the 12 tribes)... and the Tower of Babel was before Jacob (Israel)'s father (Isaac)... and was even before HIS father (ABRAHAM, who's other son, Ishmael is said to be at the head of the bloodline of The Prophet Muhammad who founded Islam)... Basically, there was no Israel (sons of Israel) to divide anything. People say, "Yeah but it's God's plan and he knew he would make an Israel so he can do that." Which makes sense. No... no.. listen, it makes sense. Because sometimes you just have to agree so there can be silence, which means nothing else crazy gets said. Also, there was no Jacob/Israel, so that means no SONS OF ISRAEL to give to The Lord (Jehovah). ABRAHAM WAS NOT EVEN BORN YET. Meanwhile, AN INHERITANCE IS SOMETHING YOU GET FROM YOUR FATHER/FAMILY... OR IS PASSED DOWN TO YOU, NOT SOMETHING YOU GIVE YOUR SELF. ALL OF THE TEXTS are SPECIFIC in saying that IT IS AN INHERITANCE, given to the NATIONS, who get divided up. The names of "The People" who got divided changes. The names of who gets the people changes. The name of who gets Jacob/Israel changes. INHERITANCE stays the same. THE NATIONS stay the same. ALSO.. THE MOST HIGH does not change. If anything, from most of the common Bibles (NIV, KJV, ESV) it just says THE MOST HIGH, and in some other versions it will add in God (Most High God, God The Most High). There is no doubt that THE MOST HIGH is giving out INHERITANCES in this text. ADD TO THAT-- LORD is a position APPOINTED BY A KING/RULER. It's mentioned in this writing somewhere, and in other writings, and here it is again, that LORD comes from Lo'rd (like you might have seen in old BOOKS) which comes from Lo'ward... which comes from Loaf Ward or "Keeper of The Bread". The Lord is appointed by the King or Emperor, or even Shogun-- Shoguns outranked Lords in feudal Japan, So either they were planning way ahead, or something got twisted in the translation... for a reason. Makes sense to me that THE MOST HIGH would be in a higher position than THE LORD. Especially since Lord is like a mid-rank thing.

As far as a ranking order system, I think it goes as follows for Europe vs. Japan vs. Bible systems: (1) Pope / Emperor / God’s Prophet (spiritual ultimate)... (2) King / Shogun / Biblical King... (3) Nobles / Daimyo / Tribal Leaders... (4) Knights / Samurai / Mighty Men... (5) Priests / Monks / Levites... (6) Merchants / Wealthy Families... (7) Farmers / Peasants / Shepherds... (8) Serfs / Outcasts / Slaves.

1. Japanese Feudal System (Shogunate)

Emperor (divine figure, symbolic authority—rarely held direct power)

Shogun (military ruler, actual political leader)

Daimyo (powerful lords controlling provinces)

Samurai (warrior class loyal to daimyo/shogun, often literate and cultured)

Ronin (masterless samurai, drifting warriors)

Peasants (farmers, valued more than merchants because they produced food)

Artisans (craftsmen, swordsmiths, etc.)

Merchants (wealthy but socially low, since they “produced nothing”)

Entertainers / Outcasts (Eta, Hinin) – lowest class, handled taboo jobs (butchers, executioners).

2. African Kingdoms (Generalized)

(Different kingdoms—Mali, Ethiopia, Kongo—varied, but hierarchy was similar)

Emperor / King (Mansa, Negus, Oba, Pharaoh in Egypt)

Royal Family

Nobles / Chiefs / Clan leaders

Priests, Oracles, Spiritual leaders

Warriors / Military Commanders

Merchants / Wealthy Families (trans-Saharan traders, gold, salt, ivory merchants)

Artisans, Griots (oral historians, highly respected in West Africa)

Farmers, Herdsmen

Slaves / Servants (captured in wars or through debt, sometimes highly skilled in court service).

3. Biblical / Ancient Israelite System

God (YHWH, “The Most High” / Elyon)

Prophets (God’s direct mouthpiece, often outranking kings spiritually)

Priests / High Priest (Levitical priesthood, temple authority)

King (e.g., Saul, David, Solomon)

Royal Family / Princes

Tribal Leaders / Elders / Judges

Military Commanders / Mighty Men

Scribes / Teachers of the Law

Wealthy Landowners / Merchants

Common Israelites (farmers, shepherds, craftsmen)

Foreigners living among Israel

Slaves / Servants (foreign captives, debt slaves, though Hebrew slaves were released in the Year of Jubilee).

4. European Feudal/Medieval System (England & Europe)

Pope (spiritual authority, above kings in Catholic Europe)

Emperor (e.g., Holy Roman Emperor)

King / Queen

Prince / Princess, Dukes, Archdukes

Marquess, Count/Earl, Viscount, Baron (nobility)

Archbishop / Bishop / Abbots / Monks / Priests (church hierarchy interwoven with nobility)

Knights (landed warriors, vassals of nobles)

Merchants / Wealthy Families / Guild leaders

Freemen / Yeomen / Tradesmen / Artisans

Peasants / Serfs (bound to the land, owed labor/taxes)

Slaves (less common in medieval England, but present in some areas of Europe)

5. Chinese Imperial System

Emperor (“Son of Heaven”) – absolute ruler, divine mandate (Mandate of Heaven).

Royal Family / Imperial Clan

Chancellor, Grand Councilors, High Ministers

Provincial Governors & Scholars (Mandarins) – Confucian scholar-officials, civil exam elites.

Military Generals & Commanders

Wealthy Landlords & Merchant Families

Peasants (farmers considered backbone of the empire)

Laborers, Artisans

Slaves, Criminals, Debtors

JUST FOR FUN, let's toss in THE ELOHIM... the El's i mentioned earlier... This is the same group that is the "US" in the infamous "Let US make man in OUR image." You can take that and divide the inheritances, princes, rulers, or whatever by THE RULERS (or ANGELS) of the 4 corners (the angels who rule the 4 corners.... 4... corners... not 4 round edges... 4 corners of the earth). I don't care if the earth is round or flat. I'm leaving it one day. BUT I do know in magical rites and practices, and even in angelic "stuff" there are The Angels of the 4 CORNERS: Four Archangels—Micha-EL (South), Gabri-EL (West), Rapha-EL (East), and Uri-EL (North)—who are described in the Bible (Revelation 7:1) as standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds. Keep in mind, these SONS OF GOD are also called the PRINCES... and there is also mention of CHEIF PRINCES. Enough of that. Let's keep going.

OJB (Orthodox Jewish Bible)

8 - When HaElyon divided to the Goyim their nachalah, when He separated the Bnei Adam, He set the gevulot (borders) of the people according to the number of the Bnei Yisroel. 9 - For Hashem’s chelek is His people; Ya’akov is the chevel (allotment) of His nachalah.

I really like this OJB (Orthodox Jewish Bible) one because it's so specific in it's wording.

CSB (Christian Standard Bible)

8 - When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance and divided the human race, he set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the people of Israel. 9 - But the Lord’s portion is his people, Jacob, his own inheritance.

CEB (Common English Bible)

8 - When God Most High divided up the nations— when he divided up humankind— he decided the people’s boundaries based on the number of the gods. 9 - Surely the Lord’s property was his people; Jacob was his part of the inheritance.

CJB (Complete Jewish Bible)

8 - “When ‘Elyon gave each nation its heritage, when he divided the human race, he assigned the boundaries of peoples according to Isra’el’s population; 9 - but Adonai’s share was his own people, Ya‘akov his allotted heritage.

CEV (Contemporary English Version)

8 - that God Most High gave land to every nation. He assigned a guardian angel to each of them, 9 - but the Lord himself takes care of Israel.

ERV (Easy-To-Read-Version)

8 - God Most High separated the people on earth and gave each nation its land. He set up borders for all people. He made as many nations as there are angels. 9 - The Lord chose his people to be his own. The people of Jacob belong to him.

EASY (Easy English Bible)

8 - The Most High God gave land to be the home of each nation. When he made people into separate groups, he decided where their borders should be. He did that to match the number of angels in heaven. 9 - But the Lord himself takes care of his own people. Jacob's descendants are his special people

EXB (Expanded Bible)

8 - God Most High gave ·the nations their lands [L each nation its inheritance], dividing up the ·human race [L sons of man]. He set up borders for the people ·and even numbered the Israelites [L according to the number of the sons/T children of Israel]. 9 - The Lord took his people as his ·share [portion], the people of Jacob as his ·very own [L special inheritance].

GNT (Good News Translation)

8 - The Most High assigned nations their lands; he determined where peoples should live. He assigned to each nation a heavenly being, 9 - but Jacob's descendants he chose for himself.

This GNT (Good News Translation) removes "THE LORD" and just goes with the concept that THE MOST HIGH and THE LORD are the same individual. The only reason I bring that up is because I don't speak or read Hebrew or any ancient language (especially that of the Dead Sea Scrolls), nor do I have the original text to translate myself to see what names were used where. So if you don't either, and you go by this version, then you're stuck with what they say. I'm not trying to be stuck with what someone said. I want to be educated and informed by what the actual text says and honestly fully means.

JUB (Jubilee Bible 2000)

8 - when the most High caused the Gentiles to be inherited, when he separated the sons of men, he set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel. 9 - For the LORD’s portion is his people; Jacob is the measuring line of his inheritance.

TLB (The Living Bible)

8 - When God divided up the world among the nations, He gave each of them a supervising angel! 9 - But he appointed none for Israel; For Israel was God’s own personal possession!

MSG (The Message)

8 - When the High God gave the nations their stake, gave them their place on Earth, He put each of the peoples within boundaries under the care of divine guardians. 9 - But God himself took charge of his people, took Jacob on as his personal concern.

NOG (Names Of God Bible)

8 - When Elyon gave nations their land, when he divided the descendants of Adam, he set up borders for the tribes corresponding to the number of the sons of Israel. 9 - But Yahweh’s people were his property. Jacob was his own possession.

NABRE (New American Bible - Revised Edition)

8 - When the Most High allotted each nation its heritage, when he separated out human beings, He set up the boundaries of the peoples after the number of the divine beings; 9 - But the Lord’s portion was his people; his allotted share was Jacob.

NET (New English Translation)

8 - When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided up humankind, he set the boundaries of the peoples, according to the number of the heavenly assembly. 9 - For the Lord’s allotment is his people, Jacob is his special possession.

NRSVA (New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised)

8 - When the Most High apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the gods; 9 - the Lord’s own portion was his people, Jacob his allotted share.

TLV (Tree of Life Version)

8 - When Elyon gave nations their heritage, when He separated the sons of man, He set boundaries for the people by the number of Bnei-Yisrael. 9 - But Adonai’s portion is His people— Jacob is the share of His inheritance.

VOICE (Voice)

8 - When God, the Most High in heaven gave all the nations their inherited territory, when He divided the descendants of Adam into nations, When He established the boundaries of the peoples, as the number of the sons of God, 9 - Because the Eternal’s territory is His people; and Jacob is the territory of God’s inheritance.

WYC (Wycliffe Bible)

8 - When the highest parted folks, when he separated the sons of Adam, he ordained the terms of peoples by the number of the sons of Israel. (When the Most High God divided the nations, when he separated the sons of man, he ordained the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.) 9 - Forsooth the part of the Lord is his people; Jacob is the little part of his heritage. (But the Lord’s portion was his own people; Jacob was the portion of his inheritance.)

YLT (Young’s Literal Translation)

8 - In the Most High causing nations to inherit, In His separating sons of Adam -- He setteth up the borders of the peoples By the number of the sons of Israel. 9 - For Jehovah's portion [is] His people, Jacob [is] the line of His inheritance.