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Life & Living

(vacations)

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Ever notice how many hours are in a day? "No, actually, now that I think about it I DON'T honestly notice how many hours are in a day. It's 24, right?" Sure, let's go with 24 hours a day. The sun doesn't rise or set, it's just your world that spins away from the light... Honestly, it's all just one long day, but, for argument's sake.... 24 hours. You live them all, but you don't see them all, because you don't have time. Where did they go? Time flies when you're having fun, but you're not having fun, and the days vanish. 24 hours doesn't seem like a lot, because YOU... don't get 24 hours. You exist 24 hours, but most of your hours aren't yours. Most of your living life isn't yours.

JOBS vs. WORK

Don't get me wrong, there's the 8 or however many hour day that might drag by, working a job for whoever else, doing whatever else, for not enough money, and hopefully decent benefits-- but you only need the benefits because you're overworked at this job to be given (because, honestly, you've earned more than this) not enough money. There's the lunch break wait, which costs eating time, but you distract yourself escaping in scrolling. Then more job work. Then there's the trip to and from the job, unless you're lucky enough to "work at home". Right quick, which of these sounds better... "Work From Home" or "Job At Home"? "Work from home?" But, be honest, what is it really... Job at home. That's because your JOB knows you should be attending to nothing but your life's work, which pays you in soul, spirit, and energy, power, freedom, knowledge of self. Meanwhile you don't get to that because you're working someone else's job, which pays whatever they want to, and it just takes what your life's work gives freely. It knows the difference between JOB and WORK. So it tells you it's your work. And then economics makes it your job to do it. Ignore that. That's a conversation for another time, maybe the JOB CONTRACTS conversation. If you are one of the lucky ones, you get to learn to absolutely despise a portion OF YOUR OWN LIVING SPACE YOU'RE PAYING FOR TO BE YOUR SAFE ESCAPE RECHARGE PRIVATE "YOU" PLACE, because whenever you look at your own home now, you see your job. It starts before that, because you have to wake up according to job, and even sleep according to job. You even go to the bathroom according to job. Meanwhile, you're working to gain, or free up from the 24 hours, YOUR OWN Time, Mind, and Resources, to put towards your own living your own life, and doing your own life's purpose work. You need a vacation. But even then, your vacation depends on your job too-- not your work. MARK 12:30 - "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength;’ this is the first commandment." OR you can click here for the whole chapter for context, but basically some dudes asked Yeshua, "Which if the 10 commandments is the most important?" And that was PART OF Yeshua's answer. It's linked to a Bible site that allows you to switch the version/translation of the Bible so you can see what it says in other versions. "Love the Lord thy God...." Well, LORD comes from "Loaf Ward" which is a position or title, like a Duke, or Governor... it means "Keeper Of The Bread" and since you get your "bread" from your job, I guess it would be your Lord, huh? And since you devote your entire self, mind, body, soul, heart, strength... to serving your JOB, then your job is God. It's not even the money, because you're depending on the JOB to give you the MONEY. Your Time, Mind, and Resources are dependent on JOB. Yeah, you need a vacation to regroup. Take a Sabbath. "Wait, what? WHY? I mean, yeah, I do, but... HOW?"

Ok, FIRST, HOW DO I GET MY VACATION?

YOUR LIFE IS A BLUR OF THINGS YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE, AND "YOU" LIVING IT IS NOT YOU LIVING IT. You need a vacation to escape your self, and find your self. Which you might do. "You didn't say how? I see the food gurus with the healthy organic crap, but I don't have time, mind, or resources so I need a vacation to escape that-- before i go back to the hole." See the cycle here? STOP GOING BACK INTO THE HOLE. Here's some game for you... this world is engineered to be great, but also the balance-- engineered to suck. What you are KNOWING and SEEING that have access to IS MAYBE ONLY 1/3rd OF THAT. Why don't you have access? Access is Time, Mind, and Resources. That's what you'll be using to get your vacation. There's your HOW. "But you said what I'm knowing and seeing is access to maybe 1/3rd--" The key words there, are KNOWING, which means having a connected experience with NOW, and SEEING, which is also a connection where you're understanding. Knowing is more than understanding. You can understand things you don't live. You know by living, being in that situation. Until then you don't know, you're just thinking you know. The honest truth is you not only have access to 100% of everything, but it's already yours. I know, the gurus and whoever else says that mess all the time, and you look in your account and are like, "Nope." It comes down to the YOU who is knowing. Is the you who is knowing the one who owns their life and living it, or is it the one dependent on ___? The one who goes back into the hole...? HOW do you get your vacation? BE THE ONE WHO LIVES AT THAT VACATION SPOT. NOT the one who goes on vacation there.

The image there is TIME, MIND, and RESOURCES.. Yeah, these two conversations were smaller and linked together. On a computer screen or tablet it looks fine onscreen. On a phone, it's a massive tower of text that's a mile long, and micrometer small, which is annoying. That's probably why most content is video-- to condense everything and read it for you, because most don't have time, and some can't even read, and the videos also keep your attention with flashy pictures. Honestly, minds have been reprogrammed to be too busy to look for the key you saw when scrolling away your allowed assigned break... and then actually find that key, in reality, without ads and a sales pitch, one that's not click-bait and a rabbit hole into the void... and then actually be able to mentally process how to focus your own free mind onto free thoughts of your OWN LIFE and free will... to see how to apply that key... and then have time to actually USE IT... and then actually DO USE IT... to get free. You don't even have time to read this. You're trained to not be the one who lives your vacation every day. That's why this is text. If you can focus and read this, then you'll have the mental capacity to break free. You won't get distracted. Not saying that many won't want it, because they will, but they're not understanding or knowing how to break free because they're thinking is to lead them to knowing how to need a vacation instead of living one. Congratulations. You can make it out.

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How do you make it out? Well, your mind can focus, because you made it here.. now, can you THINK? Like, without Google. Without AI. Without other people, or any outside influence? YES. So, what's the picture here? What to you have to focus on managing, and taking back? You don't need to find the time, or make the time. You have "24 hours," and you might also remember that THE SUN DOES NT RISE OR SET, so you are eternal and have forever. The trick is to HAVE it and apply it one "NOW" at a time. You don't even have to take it. It's given to you. How do you know? You're breathing, right? Guess who has time. Are you aware that you're breathing? Guess who has mind. You have breath? And a Mind? And Time? Guess who has resources. Recognize what you have and use it for what you want. KNOW what you want. Understand, love, and be that.

JUST FOR FUN... There's an old riddle, and this is on the Time, Mind, and Resources conversation, which I reccomend. But, a riddle... with a man who has a Goat, a Cheetah, and a Yam. He comes to a river and has to cross, getting himself and all three items to the other side. How does he do it? He does have a small beat up boat, but it can get him there even though it doesn't look like it. The boat can only fit himself, and two items. To try to cross without it, possibly all three will be swept away. If he leaves the cheetah alone, it will start to wander and run away. If he leaves the cheetah with the goat, the cheetah will eat the goat. If he leaves the goat with the yam, the goat will eat the yam. Cheetah - Time (Fast), Goat - Mind (Good), Yam - Resources (Cheap)... how do you cross over into Pure BEING, or freedom? And why? And what's the river about?

VACATIONS? How does this apply? People use their TIME, MIND, and RESOURCES to escape... their life. Not to live their life, but to escape their current lives, into some dreamed one. Don't get me wrong, everyone is using their time, mind, and resources for their life, and living it, but most don't like it (their life, or living it) and they'd rather be spending their time, mind, and resources for something different. Like a vacation. Here's the trick... which you should know by now... HONESTLY, NO ONE NEEDS A VACATION. YOU JUST NEED CHRIST. We'll circle bac--nah, screw that. We're here now, let's do this now. Here's another picture. in fact, maybe I'll do three, but I'll break them down a little-- enough for this conversation. So what you'll be looking at is Y everything, especially when conscious. From this Y you get WHY everything, and WISE of everything. That's the key to the 3 Y's. Pick your Y's. KNOW THEM and BE knowing them, all ways, always-- unless you are purely being, which transcends consciousness. "Wait, what?" There's a convo called BEING RUNNIN G IN THE WOODS that talks about that. Hopefully it's done. I end up writing like 5 of these at the same time because of how the information flows to me. Right now, Y....

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BE-ing A HUMAN (SPIRIT) BEING

So, Y.... In the black and white picture (the first one), we're focusing on the bottom part. So ignore the half black and half white circle at the top. If you want to know what that is, it's PURE BEING. That's ALL THINGS. Pure BEING is split into Pure CONSCIOUS BEING and Pure NON CONSCIOUS BEING. White because consciousness is illuminating the abundance, which is all things, which is what PURE BEING IS. Black because non-conscious is the un-illuminated abundance (the abundance that's there but you don't see). I know, I said we're ignoring it, but, might as well, aye? NON-Conscious is awareness (Spirit), and Conscious is consciousness, or focused manipulated willed awareness (Mind). So, Pure BEING that is expressed as a PURE CONSCIOUS BEING is a soul. What kind of soul? Depend on the PURE SPIRIT side. Spirits don't have a consciousness, they need the consciousness of a soul. Spirits are energy. It's like a police uniform. You can feel the power of it, and understand the importance of it, but it means nothing unless there's a soul to pilot it, and bring it to life. SO, What we're focusing on is the Black Dot (BEING). That's you. What you are, currently, maybe (it's 2025 and there's a lot of different beings here-- a lot is going on) is the expression of PURE BEING (all things) BE-ing a PURE CONSCIOUS BEING, that is (3 Spiritual Relationships) HAVING/Being WITH/and Being IN the Spirit of HUMANITY. So Pure Conscious BEING is the Black dot, The White dot is The Spirit of Humanity, which makes you, The Blue and Red Dot, a Pure Conscious Human Soul Being. Now, since that's all fused and solid, forming one thing, you're now a new Black Dot. You get to consciously pick spirits. Here's a thing you have access to.. CHRIST. And this is in the Jesus, Christ, Yeshua, and YOU conversation...

If you've read through some work here, then I'll put this part about the 3 Spiritual Relationships in blue so you can skip it. SO, you're a Conscious BEING there. Yay you. Since you're conscious, you get to pick spirits to express, or "be" (you're not really being them, you're you, always all ways)... By "Be" a spirit, I mean you get to have the fun of 1 of the 3 Spiritual Relationships With that Spirit. Also, it mirrors, and has 1 of the 3 with you. What are the 3? (1) HAVING a spirit. (2) Being WITH a spirit. (3) Being IN a spirit. It's all in The 3 Spiritual Relationships, so you can get the full details there, but short, (1) HAVING a spirit means it's in your hands. You can do what you want, but since it's in your hands, it has your attention and your mind. You can NOT HAVE it-- just let go. (2) Being WITH a spirit means you might have it, you might not, but it is WITH you. Wherever you go, people see you, and they see it. YOU might not even see or know it's there, but it's with you. Like how some people can be doing great, but then they go hang with one person and then it's all bad news from there. The other person may have had a bad spirit WITH them, and now, it's not yours, but it's WITH YOU, clinging to you. You can get away from it, and get it away from you. (3) Being IN a spirit. This one is the most dangerous. Picture being IN LOVE... with a JERK. you can't see they're a jerk. Why? You're IN LOVE. If you just were WITH love, you'd leave. If you just HAVE love, you can rationalize it. Being IN a spirit then you seem to have less and less control the deeper IN you go. Like the ocean or space.

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Again, there is the White Dot (SPIRIT). That's every word you'll draw from the back of your mind (the non-conscious black side) and illuminate by thinking about (the white side) and then expressing by manifesting (by "BE-ing"). The fusion of those is the Blue and Red circle at the bottom. Pure Conscious Being (black dot) + Spirit of Humanity (White Dot) = Pure Conscious Human Being (Soul, Blue Red Dot). Now you, The Blue Red dot move to the position of Black Dot. So, YOU, Black Dot (Human Spirit Being) and The Spirit of GOD (White Dot) fuse... and what you get is CHRIST (Blue/Red), which is God as a Human being, and Human Being as God. They keep each other in check. Remember, Being IN a spirit then you SEEM TO have less and less control the deeper IN you go. Like the ocean or space. Picture being IN the Spirit of God. You would think you WERE God. Because you can't see your self, all you see is God, but you know you're still you, so you're lost in there. It happens. If people ask you who you are, you wouldn't give your name, you'd just say "I'm God" and "GOD" is not you, it's the spirit. It's what gives you the power and influence, that you're drowning in, and lost your self in. CHRIST is a balancing system for GOD and HUMANITY. When you start to become too much of one, you see the other. When you try to focus on one, it mirrors and shows you the other. It keeps them both from being too distracting. Like how Pure Conscious BEINGS IN THE SPIRIT OF HUMANITY (Souls) can think they're just Human Beings, or even less, think they're their bodies. As an expression of the human spirit, you have a body. It's part of the manifestation. It's not you. Likewise, as a Pure Conscious BEING IN THE SPIRIT OF GOD you have supreme influence and can impose your will. That may make you a war-mongering tyrant. You invent things so you can be God of them. you might not even know who you are, what you really want, or why you're even doing this, other than' I have to be God... I have to be God... if I'M NOT GOD.. THEN WHO AM I???" Human beings go through the same identity crisis. So, CHRIST. It shows you both, and then in the middle, you can just... BE. Just be a conscious Being.

or family? Glad that's not us.

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And I'll address this here, too, because it is elsewhere in this site, but since we're here... YOU... a CONSCIOUS BEING... The Black Dot... ACCESS AND EMPLOY... A SPIRIT... WHICH IS A NON-CONSCIOUS ENERGY. Again... A Spirit, is a Non Conscious Energy. Conscious Beings HAVE (borrow or use the power of), Are WITH (the power of), or are IN (influenced, overtaken by, given over to the power of) a Spirit. THEY ARE NOT THE SPIRIT. If someone comes to you, and says "I AM EVIIIIILLLLL" No you're not. You're lost, and you sound stupid and weak. You need to be honest and find your self. Conscious Beings have names. There is only ONE conscious being, that I can think of, that would NOT have a name, because it is THEE CONSCIOUS BEING, which is the PURE CONSCIOUS BEING. Why would it not have a name? Who else was around to talk to it? When PURE BEING split into PURE NON CONSCIOUS BEING and PURE CONSCIOUS BEING, there were no other conscious beings there... other than Pure BEING, which is both, which is how it isolated that part of itself to express it. So it's like talking to your reflection in the mirror. It's name would just be BEING. There is a famous declaration of being, that over time has come to BE a name, or be counted (thought of) as a name, which is "I AM" but that's not a name. So, any being that speaks to you, and says it is a spirit... it is trying to manipulate you. "Yeah, but Jesus Christ--" His last name isn't Christ, and his first name is more like Yeshua. "Yeah, what about the holy ghost?" Holy Spirit, is the WHOLLY SPIRIT, as in the PURE NON CONSCIOUS SPIRIT OF GOD. That's the Divine part-- the Hoy part, because it is complete, full, non-compromised, undivided, WHOLE SPIRIT. Whichever conscious being uses that spirit, they reduce it. They're using the portion they want. WANT is a conscious choice based on a conscious beings limited willed focusing of an all-encompassing awareness into the narrow cone tunnel vision perception of consciousness. Holy WHOLLY Spirit (not a ghost) is like standing in the sun and looking out from the center. CHRIST is that, focused through you (your humanity), so it's like you standing with a flashlight made of the sun, so it has the same power, but focused on where you shine it, because you're conscious. Understand that when conscious beings come to you "as a spirit," or "in the name of" a spirit. They're coming at you with a flashlight. You, as a manifestation of CHRIST, have access to THE SUN. Does the sun fear a flashlight? The SUN IN a Flashlight is HAVING Christ. Walking with the sun behind you is being WITH Christ. Floating around in the center of he sun? Being IN Christ. Did that illustrate it better? When you hear things like "I am the divine feminine" or "I am the divine masculine" No you are not. NO ONE IS BUT THAT PURE SPIRIT. No one is Evil. No one is Good. You are BEING BE-ing. What, How, When, and Where you are BE-ing, will change from moment to moment. WHY is always the same. If someone is trying to manipulate you by claiming that, usually it's because they know you're stronger than they are, and they need to either recruit you, or derail you. Anger comes from fear that you don't know how to deal with, so you feel the ultimate vulnerability, frustration, and lack of self. If you have that effect on someone, that's not your fault. THEY did that, and are DOING that to their self. If they chill, and know their self, and stop thinking they're a spirit, then they're on the path to recovery. Let the spirit go. Just BE. DONT CONDEMN OR GLORIFY. Yes, you WILL judge because you're a perception-- so you can't help but judge, but don't condemn or glorify. You see they're weaker than you, and afraid-- don't condemn, or glorify. Just BE You. Be honest and walk your walk. Let them figure theirs out. And take a frickin sabbath. No.... no... shut up and take a frickin Sabbath. Go do it now. "What's a Sabbath? Ozzy?" LINK. Let me find a video on that and communion and add that to the video list as well. NONE OF THIS IS LAW... this is just what I figured out, how it makes sense to me, my own judgment and opinion.

CHRIST IS YOUR VACATION

"That sounds like I'll never get a vacation. That sounds like a war of the mind and FOR CONTROL of the mind, and soul for that matter, that I want no parts of. I just want to be free and figure out who I am, and be free to be that." That's the Christ part. It's human enough to figure your self out, and God enough to GET IT (make it happen). And when Making it happen, when "Godding" it's Human enough to not be so controlling, and organic enough to BALANCE "MY WILL" with the will of everything I'm connected to, and is connected to me. Some people get stuck deep in human, so they look for GOD, and try to be Pure God. Calm down. They want their will over everything. They want to be the change, ok, but also to make the world this better world-- that's better FOR THEM, and TO THEM, at the expense of everyone and everything else. Nope. Too deep into the God pool there buddy. Reel it back a bit. Or they're so HUMAN, which is balanced, that they get lost in helping, serving, giving everything away so compassionate and emotional and all other things that come in the Human Spirit toolkit. They're lost in the balance. Nope. Reel it back in buddy. Christ it up a bit. THEN you can BE the vacation. GOD has a vacation being human. HUMANS have a vacation being God. CHRIST? There is no vacation needed or even wanted. Everyday is just amazing, so it doesn't cross your mind. Every move, every breath is just what it's supposed to be.

"Well then, how do you "CHRIST?" First, I would'nt pay attention to Christians. They follow Jesus. "Woah, wait-- What kind of advic--WHO IS THIS PERSON?!?! YOU CAN'T SAY TH--" Calm down. I can and i did. What Christian did Yeshua follow? In fact, was Moses a Christian? Was ADAM a Christian? Enoch? David? Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.. Ismael? Ruth? Samuel? Daniel? Any of the El's (Elohim)? Mary? How many Angels are Christians? Mary wasn't even Catholic. Jesus wasn't even Christian. They all followed GOD. The CHRIST part of them helped them do that. The human part of them might have wanted to do something else-- every doubt, every "ye of little faith" moment, every "But what will the people say?", every "but they'll kill me," and even the, "if we can, remove this cup" but the CHRIST part is what you're going for. "But you said to not pay attention to Christians because they follow Christ!?" No, I said they follow Jesus. Christians have a tendency to Jesus the Christ clean up out of Yeshua... AND THEMSELVES. MOST RELIGIONS DO. In fact, I'd say that the majority of religions (not beliefs, not faiths, not honest relationships... but religions, organized businesses on paper, entities). There's a figure invented. "Jesus." He is "The Lord." They don't even know what it means really, but they will "wait on the Lord..." while complaining every step. I thought you were waiting? When they can't wait, then it switches to "God helps those who help themselves." Is it God or Christ? Gloves off for a sec... how are you following Christ, which you really mean the action figure called Jesus, because you don't do ANYTHING IN CHRIST BUT TALKI told you what I CONSIDER Christ to be. Maybe you can ask them what it is to them. "So what do I do?" Get a bible, an older one, as close to the Dead Sea Scrolls translation that you can find, with RED LETTERS, because the red letters are the words that Yeshua said. There are shortcuts like "The Gospel of Thomas" (in the videos somewhere down there) which is JUST words Yeshua said, but it's better to read it your self so you get the full context, know the whole story, and you can take your time and STUDY IT, not just read it, not just memorize so you can recite and sound good in church. Church people leave church and go home. Meanwhile the church can't leave itself. If you are the body of CHRIST, then you never leave church. Church is the House of God? So is Heaven. And You're body is a temple that's ALSO the house of God? So I guess you're the church. How do you leave church? There's a lot of things I could pck at, but basically, just study and don't follow, but walk WITH Yeshua. Remember them 3 spiritual relationships? (1) HAVE, (2) BE WITH, and (3) BE IN Christ... and it with you. "

No one should NEED a vacation. No one should WANT a vacation. A Vacation shouldn't be a getaway, especially from your own living, life, and self. If you want to take a trip, you should just be free to take a trip. If you wanted to experience life and living it at some other place, you should be free to do that. In fact, YOU ARE FREE TO DO THAT. "From birth to death, from heaven to hell, there exists a way IN and OUT of all things... and in that, at least 1 of the 3 ways is free." --Paraphrasing THE BOOK OF BLACKLIGHTS. Which has betrayed you? YOUR TIME, MIND, or RESOURCES? These things flow in abundance. You're tricked into thinking you have to MAKE them. YOU DO NOT. They're all around you. You cannot escape them. In this life and the next. What you would be wise in doing is to TAKE THEM. In doing so, BE HONEST, ALL WAYS ALWAYS. s far as TIME, MIND, and RESOURCES? C'est la vie (that's life - time/Spiritual/Soul/Pure BEING), la guerre (the war/struggle/battle/fight - mind/Logical bridge to physical and emotional bridge to spiritual/the operation of The Veil and Spirituality for will and divinity/The BUSINESS), et le jeu (and the game/the play - resources/matter/physical/body/The GAME). Your living should be so honest and pure that you never want it to stop, and don't notice when it does. In fact, it would never end if that was the case. All there would be is vacation atmosphere. What would be the escape in that? And why? I only ask because, like many who's residence is heaven, and/or the kingdom... you're here...

WHY ARE TIME, MIND, and RESOURCES SO IMPORTANT? I'll put it in YELLOW, but the whole thing is the whole story. Mark 12:28-34 (King James Version)...

28 - And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 - And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 - And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. 32 - And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: 33 - And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. 34 - And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

What does that have to do with your Time, Mind, and Resources? Your time and mind are your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Your neighbors are your resources. Your god is your biggest resource. Religious folk: How come he said God with a "little g" (god)? Because not everyone has the same god as you. Be respectful. You can't help but to judge, because we're all conscious beings, and judgment is why we're here... but no one needs that condemnation or glorification screwing up reality. Folks without sin love casting stones. Meanwhile, whatever you're using your time, mind, and resources for is god to you. Even though you have a God, or say you believe in, and say you worship, and said you follow a God, whatever gets the majority of your time, mind, and resources... that's really your god. Whatever causes you stress... whatever you get the angriest at... whatever you run to to escape... the reason you make plans on the weekends.... I'll shut up. You'll only use all three for whatever serves you and offers you the experience of your divinity in your current moment. Yeah, you might use one or two for this and that to get by, or to help get you out of the hole, or to balance out or gain control. It's not like you wake up when it tells you to, or eat and sleep according to it's schedule. It's not like you depend on that for your power and self-worth. It only gets one or two, not all three. That thing you view as the most important gets all three. That's what you want the most, think about the most, love the most. how many people are feeding their time, mind, and resources to some giant evil monster that will just suck the life, living, and soul out of them, crap that out when done, and then do the same to their kids or family? Glad that's not us.